Hi,
I recently bought HDDRIVER and I am still awaiting my printed manual so cannot look up this information.
I have an unmodified Atari TT030 workstation, and I have two partitions already installed on a 4GB CF Card as drives C and D.
I used ICD Pro Tools to originally create the two partitions. I have since purchased HDDRIVER so that I can undertake more complex partition work.
I have two problems, and I wonder if someone can please help me?
1. Under normal TOS 3.01 the software loads up in English, which is fine for me. However under Magic (English version) the HDRIVER loads up in German.
- How can I please use the English version of HDRIVER under Magic?
2. I have existing partitions created using ICD Pro Tools. Drives C which is GEM (16MB), and drive D which is BGM (512MB).
- I now wish to create additional partitions on the CF Card. These will be E and F. However, I do not want to lose the existing data on C and D
- I wish to create partition E as a 256MB BGM for so that if I put the CF Card in my MEGA ST4 under TOS 1.4 it will show this drive.
- I wish to create partition F as a 1GB FAT32 so that I can use for PC to Atari transfer, and also access using Magic.
- Please, can someone tell me. If I simply use the "Partition" tool to add new BGM or W32 partitions, will this effect my current drive C or D and possibly wipe them?
Kind regards,
Bid
Creating Fat32 Partitions
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uweseimet
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Re: Creating Fat32 Partitions
Hi,
1. HDDRUTIL gets the language settings from TOS. You can configure HDDRUTIL to explicitly use English or German. Or you can press the Alternate key when starting HDDRUTIL.
2. If I understand you correctly you are talking about two different drives and the new partitions E: and F: are not on the same drive as C: and D:. In this case you can simply create two new partitions on your CF card. The other drive (partitions C: and D:) will not be affected at all. In general when partitioning only data on the target drive selected in HDDRUTIL are changed, but never any data on other drives.
Note that you cannot mix Windows and Atari compatible partitions on one drive. You can either create partitions that are both TOS and Windows compatible or you can create partitions, which are either TOS or Windows compatible. This means you cannot create a BGM partition visible for TOS and a second partition visible for WIndows on the same drive.
Best regards
Uwe
1. HDDRUTIL gets the language settings from TOS. You can configure HDDRUTIL to explicitly use English or German. Or you can press the Alternate key when starting HDDRUTIL.
2. If I understand you correctly you are talking about two different drives and the new partitions E: and F: are not on the same drive as C: and D:. In this case you can simply create two new partitions on your CF card. The other drive (partitions C: and D:) will not be affected at all. In general when partitioning only data on the target drive selected in HDDRUTIL are changed, but never any data on other drives.
Note that you cannot mix Windows and Atari compatible partitions on one drive. You can either create partitions that are both TOS and Windows compatible or you can create partitions, which are either TOS or Windows compatible. This means you cannot create a BGM partition visible for TOS and a second partition visible for WIndows on the same drive.
Best regards
Uwe
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bid
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Re: Creating Fat32 Partitions
Hi Uwe,
Thank you first for your excellent support, and software!
So let me get this right? I can either
(i) Create a single TOS/DOS partition combined. But this can only be one partition. Im guessing that it also has to be =< 255MB if I want to use with TOS1.62 or higher, and =< 512MB for my TT030?
- This would be a shame as I have a single 4GB CF Card. And I wish to use on both ATARI MEGA ST (TOS 1.4) and STe (1.62 and TT030 (TOS 3.01). So I can only put a single partition of 256MB if I want to transfer between PC, STe and TT030 ?
- This would be a severe limitation. I had expected to put combined Windows and TOS partitions on the drive, and also multiple partitions on the one card!
- So if I want a compatible partition I am limited to one partition. I had hoped that I could add the GEM as 256MB C, a couple of BGM as 512MB D and E and then a nice Windows compatible partition, to use with my PC and MAgic to get files transferred between my modern and vintage hardware!
(ii) It is great that partitions can be simply added, just like in PArtition Magic for Windows, without corrupting the existing partition. These are good features. I had hoped to have several partitions, and ideally be able to delete or change them at will.
(iii) Yes, the command line --english is great. And I can use this function well in TOS 3.01 using "Install Application" and add the argument there, then save preferences. However, under Magic, the "Install Application" box is missing the argument command line switch input. I cannot find this information, even in the Magic manual. The Alternate is a cure and seems to work, booting me into single tasking in English. But I would also like to know if anyone knows how to set this switch in Magic.
(iv) I am very excited about the new features in beta test now. A combined TOS with other types of partition would be wonderful. And certainly used by this user. I also hope to explore unix or linux on this machine in the future!
Please can you advise the best partition for a 4BG CF Card, in which I can use on Atari and PC to transfer files. And also allow me to use TOS, Magic, and maximize my 4GB of storage space effectively?
Thank you in advance for your answer.
Kind regards,
Bid
Thank you first for your excellent support, and software!
So let me get this right? I can either
(i) Create a single TOS/DOS partition combined. But this can only be one partition. Im guessing that it also has to be =< 255MB if I want to use with TOS1.62 or higher, and =< 512MB for my TT030?
- This would be a shame as I have a single 4GB CF Card. And I wish to use on both ATARI MEGA ST (TOS 1.4) and STe (1.62 and TT030 (TOS 3.01). So I can only put a single partition of 256MB if I want to transfer between PC, STe and TT030 ?
- This would be a severe limitation. I had expected to put combined Windows and TOS partitions on the drive, and also multiple partitions on the one card!
- So if I want a compatible partition I am limited to one partition. I had hoped that I could add the GEM as 256MB C, a couple of BGM as 512MB D and E and then a nice Windows compatible partition, to use with my PC and MAgic to get files transferred between my modern and vintage hardware!
(ii) It is great that partitions can be simply added, just like in PArtition Magic for Windows, without corrupting the existing partition. These are good features. I had hoped to have several partitions, and ideally be able to delete or change them at will.
(iii) Yes, the command line --english is great. And I can use this function well in TOS 3.01 using "Install Application" and add the argument there, then save preferences. However, under Magic, the "Install Application" box is missing the argument command line switch input. I cannot find this information, even in the Magic manual. The Alternate is a cure and seems to work, booting me into single tasking in English. But I would also like to know if anyone knows how to set this switch in Magic.
(iv) I am very excited about the new features in beta test now. A combined TOS with other types of partition would be wonderful. And certainly used by this user. I also hope to explore unix or linux on this machine in the future!
Please can you advise the best partition for a 4BG CF Card, in which I can use on Atari and PC to transfer files. And also allow me to use TOS, Magic, and maximize my 4GB of storage space effectively?
Thank you in advance for your answer.
Kind regards,
Bid
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uweseimet
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Re: Creating Fat32 Partitions
Hi,
(i) If you need several partitions on one drive and you want to use some of them to transfer data to a PC currently you either have to run MiNT or MagiC. In this case you can create several purely Windows-compatible FAT or FAT32 partitions, which with MagiC or MiNT (but not with TOS) can be used on both the Atari and the PC. TOS/Windows compatible partitions may only be as big as the maximum partition size supported by your version of TOS.
(ii) Please keep in mind that you can only add partitions without affecting existing partitions if the existing partitions are on a different drive than the one where the partitioning scheme is changed.
Best regards
Uwe
(i) If you need several partitions on one drive and you want to use some of them to transfer data to a PC currently you either have to run MiNT or MagiC. In this case you can create several purely Windows-compatible FAT or FAT32 partitions, which with MagiC or MiNT (but not with TOS) can be used on both the Atari and the PC. TOS/Windows compatible partitions may only be as big as the maximum partition size supported by your version of TOS.
(ii) Please keep in mind that you can only add partitions without affecting existing partitions if the existing partitions are on a different drive than the one where the partitioning scheme is changed.
Best regards
Uwe
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uweseimet
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Re: Creating Fat32 Partitions
Hi,
a piece of additional information: Old versions of Windows in general does not support more than one partition on a medium that Windows considers removable. This means, for instance, that when using SD or CF cards for exchanging data with the Atari one can only use the first partition for exchanging data.
So even though HDDRIVER will most likely support more than one partition on TOS/Windows compatible drives one can only profit from this when using fixed disk drives, but not when using removable media.
If you are interested in details you can find quite a lot of information about this restriction in the internet.
Best regards
Uwe
a piece of additional information: Old versions of Windows in general does not support more than one partition on a medium that Windows considers removable. This means, for instance, that when using SD or CF cards for exchanging data with the Atari one can only use the first partition for exchanging data.
So even though HDDRIVER will most likely support more than one partition on TOS/Windows compatible drives one can only profit from this when using fixed disk drives, but not when using removable media.
If you are interested in details you can find quite a lot of information about this restriction in the internet.
Best regards
Uwe